Lesben und Schwule: Unterschiede

Einen interessanten Vergleich von Schwulen und Lesben findet sich in einem älteren Beitrag von isteve:

Gay Male Tendencies

Lesbian Tendencies

Comments & Examples

icnic activity Sunbathe Play softball Softball has been the lesbian game since WWII
ar activity Dance Shoot pool AIDS has decimated choreographers
Opinion of perfume Enjoy Resent “Scent-free zones” at lesbian-feminist venues
Interest in fashion High Low Versace, Perry Ellis, Yves Saint Laurent
Sense of humor Campy, self-deprecating, waspish Satirical, political You don’t see many lesbian drag king shows
Fantas y job Entertainer Pro athlete Lesbians about 30% of golf/tennis touring pros
Leadership drive Low High Male vs. female officer corps
by need for
Attention & adoration Leadership & domination Gay figure skaters vs. lesbian army officers
Distinctive trait Gay Resentful “We’re not gay, we’re angry!”
Sex Gay Male Tendencies Lesbian Tendencies Comments & Examples
Ravaged by AIDS Untouched by AIDS But breast cancer hits lesbians hard
Promiscuity Monogamy Lesbian bathouses in S.F. were ig flop
High sexual activity level Low sexual activity level “Lesbian Bed Death” syndrome
Fascinated by beauty Resent male fascination with beauty Death in Venice, Billy Budd and other operas by Britten
Avid for pornography Outraged by porn But verbal erotica popular with some lesbians
Often have sex in a semi-public spot Sex at home It’s dangerous to bring many strange men home
Fantasy & degradation Less adventurous Leather/S&M vs. cuddling
Gays absent from hetero porn “Lesbians” a staple of hetero porn See Penthouse
Ideal sex partner Young, thin, handsome Looks not too important See newspaper “Personal” ads
Masculine stranger Feminine friend Only narcissists want lovers like themselves
Careers Gay Male Tendencies Lesbian Tendencies Comments & Examples
Staff Line In army, gays go into medical corps
Frequently serve women Seldom serve men Gay hairdressers outnumber lesbian barbers
Like working w/women Dislike working w/men Olivia Records boycotted merely for hiring woman who used to be a man
Upscale, creative Downscale, blue-collar AIDS obituaries reveal gay job patterns
People-oriented jobs Machine-oriented jobs Gays big in PR, hiring, church, spying
Little interest in military Great interest in military 3x more lesbians than gays expelled
Gentrify risky districts Form rural communes Men can live safely where women can’t
& Culture
Gay Male Tendencies Lesbian Tendencies Comments & Examples
Cognitive orientation Visual Verbal Reflects typical orientations of male/female toddlers
Ensuing jobs Art critic Literary critic English Depts., especially 7 Sisters
Photographer Journalist Schizo fashion mags: gays’ images, feminists’ words
Antique-store owner Bookstore owner Big growth in “women’s” bookstores
Musical Wordy In UK “musical” is euphemism for “gay”
Ensuing jobs Choir director/organist Folk singer Womyn’s music favors sincere lyrics
Opera, ballet, B’way,disco Conciousness raising
Cultural tastes Arts Crafts Camille Paglia is exception proving rules
Classical & avant-garde Folksy, traditional Winckelmann, Pater, Blunt, Acton
See humans as art objects Resent objectification Greek sculpure, Wilde’s Dorian Grey
Snobbish, hierarchizing Sensitive to lesser talents Lesbians big on “Expanding the Canon”
Idolize Classical Greeks Resent dead white European males Greeks made gay traits central to Western art
Music Lyrics In UK “musical” is euphemism for “gay”
Politics Gay Male Tendencies Lesbian Tendencies Comments & Examples
Unpolitical, hedonistic Political, activistic Where is gay MLK Jr. or Malcolm X?
Don’t claim to speak for all men Claim to speak for all women Patricia Ireland, lesbian leader of NOW, titled her memoirs What Women Want
“Why I’m gay: Nature” “Why I’m a lesbian: Nurture” Feminists see orientation as a political choice
Frequently persecuted Frequently ignored Lesbianism legal in Victorian England & Nazi Germany
Estimated 1% to 6% of population Estimated 0.5% to 3% of population Lesbians maybe half as common

Legt man die biologischen Theorien zu Grunde, dann müsste aufgrund des Zusammenhangs mit Testosteron eine lesbische Frau im Schnitt männlicher sein als eine nicht lesbische Frau und ein schwuler Mann im Schnitt weiblicher sein als ein nicht schwuler Mann.

Das scheint auch das Bild zu sein, was sich im wesentlichen zeigt.

Schwule und Lesben haben in jedem Fall gänzlich andere Kulturen entwickelt. Ob sie nun mit der oben genannten Tabelle übereinstimmen wäre eine andere Frage. Die schwule Kultur scheint mir wesentlich mehr von Punkten geprägt zu sein, die auch Männer interessieren, wie eben beispielsweise Sex, aber eben auch stark von der weiblichen Interessen wie Kleidung etc. Sie scheint weniger wettbewerbsorientiert zu sein, abgesehen von Punkten wie aussehen etc.

Lesbische Kultur scheint weit weniger von Sex geprägt zu sein und lesbische Frauen scheinen auch weit weniger auf Schönheit im klassischen Sinne im Sinne einer besonderen Weiblichkeit zu stehen. Während viele Schule Männer als sehr schön und gepflegt gelten findet man in der lesbischen Kultur viele Butsch Frauen mit einem relativ männlichen Aussehen und er „praktischer Kleidung“.

welche Häufung würdet ihr eher bei Schulen oder Lesben sehen, welche Merkmale haben die jeweiligen „Kulturen“? Was haltet ihr von der obigen Liste?

Lesbische Frauen verdienen mehr, schwule Männer weniger

Eine Metastudie beschäftigt sich mit dem Verdienst von Lesben und Schwulen im Vergleich zu Heteros:

Most studies show that gay men earn less and lesbians earn more than their heterosexual counterparts, but the size of estimated sexual orientation differences varies greatly across studies. Using studies published between 1995 and 2012, a meta-regression shows that the gay sample size, sexual orientation measure, and controls for work intensity explain variation in estimates for men. For women, there are few conclusive influences although controlling for work intensity seems to be most important.

Quelle: Meta-Analysis of the Effects of Sexual Orientation on Earnings

Es sind einige interessante Daten enthalten:

Lesben Schwule Gehalt

Lesben Schwule Gehalt

Wenn ich das richtig sehe, dann Verdienen Frauen die schon mal was mit Frauen hatten 15% mehr als rein heterosexuelle Frauen und  Männer, die schon mal was mit Männern hatten verdienen 16% weniger, allein wegen des „Sexuellen Verhaltens“, also des gleichgeschlechtlichen Sex. Das ist ja schon ganz erstaunlich und in den biologischen Theorien besser unterzubringen als in den feministischen: Dort würde man erwarten, dass Lesben auch weniger verdienen, weil sie doppelt diskriminiert sind.

Contrary to the theory about sexual behaviors being less overt than couple status or identity, the studies using sexual behavior measures, primarily the GSS, find the largest earnings differences: –16 percent for gay men and +15 percent for lesbians. These larger differences from the GSS could result from the studies including as sexual minorities those who have had same-sex sexual partners in the past who might not be in a same-sex partnership or identify as gay or lesbian. The smaller differences found in studies using couple status is somewhat surprising, especially for women, given that many of these studies compare those in same-sex couples to those in married different-sex couples, which generally gives larger gaps than when comparing to cohabitating different-sex couples. Several studies have suggested that bisexuals may actually have worse earnings outcomes than gay men or lesbians (Carpenter 2005; Cushing-Daniels and Yeung 2009). Sexual identity questions are most likely to be used to estimate separate earnings differences for gay and bisexual respondents and that might explain why the estimates here for gay men and lesbians are smaller in size for studies that use identity measures.

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Controls for work intensity are added in Model 3 showing that studies that limit samples to full-time workers or control for hours worked find smaller earnings penalties (more positive earnings estimates) for gay men by 14 and 8 percentage points, respectively. The hourly earnings study indicator coefficient was also positive, but not significant. This result is consistent with studies finding fewer hours and less full-time work for gay men than for heterosexual men (Elmslie and Tebaldi 2007; Klawitter 2011). Gender wage gaps could be the key influence here in that earnings for a current or future male partner could encourage gay men to choose more leisure or home work, but discrimination could also limit available work hours. After controlling for work intensity, the coefficients on the gay sample size and U.S. studies indicator become larger and more significant showing that studies with larger gay samples find smaller penalties for gay men and U.S. studies find larger penalties. The proportion of variation explained for men jumps considerably after adding the work effort variables, from R2 =.26 to .66.