„Einige der extremeren Ausprägungen des Feminismus haben sowohl den Frauen als auch den Männern geschadet“, sagt Bischof Doran.

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The Catholic Bishop of Elphin, Dr Kevin Doran, has questioned if “toxic masculinity” is linked to “aggressive feminism” as he called for “gentleness” between the sexes.

In his homily on Sunday, the Sligo-based prelate suggested that “some of the more extreme expressions of feminism have been harmful both to women and to men.”

Toxic masculinity, Dr Doran said, meant that characteristics which are traditionally associated with masculinity, “good things like strength and courage and honour, can sometimes become distorted and exaggerated in such a way that young men feel that it is ok to be violent and rude and to treat women disrespectfully”.

„Toxische Männlichkeit, so Dr. Doran, bedeute, dass Eigenschaften, die traditionell mit Männlichkeit assoziiert werden, „gute Dinge wie Stärke, Mut und Ehre, manchmal so verzerrt und übertrieben werden, dass junge Männer meinen, es sei in Ordnung, gewalttätig und unhöflich zu sein und Frauen respektlos zu behandeln“.“

So wie ich es verstehe sieht er toxische Männlichkeit als pervertierte Männlichkeit an, als etwas, was fehlgeleitete Männer zeigen.

“Alcohol and pornography, of course, add fuel to the fire,” he commented.

Asking what caused toxic masculinity, he stated, “I may be wrong, but I wonder if ‘toxic masculinity’ might be, in some way related to aggressive feminism, like two sides of the same coin.”

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The 69-year-old is known for his conservative views and to be strongly opposed to contraception and abortion. Following the repeal of the Eighth Amendment in 2018 he called on catholics who had voted ‘yes’ in the referendum to go to confession.

Er ist gegen Verhütung und Abtreibung? das ist in der Tat sehr konservativ.

In his homily on Sunday, Dr Doran said that aggressive feminism regarded men as the ‘opposition’ and that “many women, paradoxically, felt that the only way they could achieve equality was to be more like men. It became politically incorrect to talk about the unique contribution of women as mothers,” he said.

Das aggressive Feministinnen in Männern oft den Feind sehen oder zumindest in „Männlichkeit“ oder in „den Männern, die das Patriarchat stützen und keine Allys sind“ ist sicherlich richtig.

Der Punkt, dass Frauen um Gleichheit erreichen zu können wie Männer sein müssen, ist im intersektionalen Feminismus glaube ich vorbei. Jetzt liegt es an den Privilegien der Männer und diese müssen sie gefälligst beseitigen, die Arbeitswelt so umgestalten, dass Frauen zu ihren Bedingungen die Hälfte der Macht an sich nehmen können und das gleiche verdienen

Calling for “tenderness” in all human relationships, the Bishop of Elphin admitted that it was only right that the equality of women should be recognised and that women should be more present and more visible in the public space. He said this was an issue that had come up in the synodal conversations that have been taking place in Church communities all over the world in recent months.

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“If you go back even one generation, but certainly two, the role of women in western society was very limited. Women’s intelligence and their creative gifts were not acknowledged. Their involvement in decision-making was restricted to the family home. The Church has to take its share of responsibility for that,” he acknowledged.

While, “Much has changed and, undoubtedly, more needs to change,” he said the fact that we are all equal does not mean that men and women are all the same.

In a changing environment, perhaps it is not surprising that men might question what it means to be male, and to wonder how they should freely express and even celebrate their masculinity.”

The goal is to change structures, not to undermine or destroy people, the bishop stressed and warned that it can never be about replacing one form of injustice with another.

Vielleicht ist die Wiedergabe der Rede fürchterlich aber so richtig erschließt sich mir seine Argumentation nicht.

“It doesn’t really solve anything if we achieve nothing more than to pull one crowd down and put another crowd up on the pedestal in their place,” he said.

Calling for a re-discovery of gentleness and humility over aggression, he said these are the values people need to transmit to their daughters and sons.

Er hat sicherlich recht, dass man die Geschlechterdebatte nicht als Kampf Männer gegen Frauen in einem Nullsummenspiel betrachten sollte. Es wäre an der Zeit die Kooperation zwischen den Geschlechtern mehr hervorzuheben.