Mit leichter Verspätung
Es wurden Aufnahmen von Gesprächen von Johnny Depp und Amber Heart veröffentlicht, die den Vorgang in ein anderes Licht stellen und belegen sollen, dass eher Johnny Depp das Opfer war.
Johnny Depp: I’m not going be in a physical f**king altercation with you.
Amber Heard: Don’t. Then don’t.
JD: You f**king hit me last night. You f**king…
AH: What about all the other times you split? C’mon you cannot act like that’s about that.
JD: Well on a plane, I can’t split.
AH: No, and you hit back. So don’t act like you don’t f**king participate.
JD: I pushed you.
AH: I’m not going to get into the details of that fight. You and I both know that you split when there is no physical violence involved and that you do it… like at the very beginning of fights these days. And if you split and you go into a different room and you don’t actually leave that house, it does nothing but perpetuate the fight and you don’t actually do it respectfully.
JD: You were f**king screaming at me.
AH: I’m not going to validate my actions last night. I feel very bad about what I did.
JD: No, I’m talking about Toronto.
AH: I did not start screaming until you had f**king said all the s**t – you poke an animal enough, it is eventually, it doesn’t matter how friendly it is, it’s not cool.
JD: That’s not true. It’s the same for me, it’s the same for me.
AH: I stayed cool for so long and you kicked and kicked and kicked.
JD: I need the same things but when you start flipping out, and I can’t get a word in, and it’s manic and angry, what the f**k Amber?
AH: I get angry. I’m human. This is the kind of situation when one gets angry.
JD: Just try. Let’s both try. If there’s anger, if there’s something really, really poking us in the a** let’s try not to f**king fight. Try to address it without jumping down each other’s throats because all that’s gonna do is build a mountain of f**king, uh, resentment, some species of f**king hatred.
AH: You take me for granted.
JD: It’s not true. It’s not true. I’m not the one who throws pots and whatever the f**king else at me.
AH: That’s different. That’s different. One does not negate the other. That’s irrelevant. That’s a complete non sequitur. Just because I’ve thrown pots and pans does not mean you cannot come and knock on my door.
JD: Vases and f**king…
AH: Just because there are vases does not mean that you come and knock on the door.
JD: Really, I should just let you throw?
AH: No, I’m not saying that. You’re saying that. You’re putting words in my mouth.
JD: The only time I ever threw anything at you was when you f**king threw the cans at me in Australia.
AH: Why are you trying to justify who throws things based on whether or not you come knocking on the door? I don’t get why one informs the other.
JD: Because that is a f**king irrational and violent f**king maneuver. So a man would want to get out of that area so that he doesn’t get so f**king angry that he actually does pop the f**king wife.
JD: You’re just afraid that the truth will come out.
AH: What truth?
JD: That you lied. No, I said to you, tell Travis what you just did, did you punch me in the f**king jaw.
AH: What are you f**king talking about? I didn’t f**king even have a f**king thing to lie about. What are you f**king talking to? Every f**king fight. There’s a new thing that you’ve convinced yourself there’s a lie.
JD: No, I said to you, Amber, tell Travis what you just did. Did you just f**king did you punch me in the f**king jaw? Did you f**king kick? Did you? Did you? And you wouldn’t say a f**king, you said I don’t know what you’re talking about. I never f**king, it never f**king happened.
AH: I see the lie. I see the lie. You should really run with this. In fact maybe you and Travis can like, go and like do a tell about a, you know an investigative study.
JD: Listen, I was not high. You lied your a** off.
AH: You’re f**king full of s**t.
JD: You lied your a** off.
AH: What conversation did I have with Travis, big, big investigative study you’ve done. I’m not sitting here fighting with you about the fight that we had last night.
JD: No I was in a situation with you. After you physically f**king got violent with me, I texted Travis, I said come up here, because I didn’t want anything to happen.
AH: I know, come and save me.
JD: Come and what, save me?
AH: No go ahead, continue, Travis to the rescue.
JD: No, that was the last one. You can go, ah, you can go. That was the last insult.
AH: Oh yeah, you called me a liar, and yet, yet…
JD: I watched you lie.
AH: You called me a liar.
JD: I watched you lie.
AH: You’re full of s**t. You still haven’t told me what lie it is.
JD: We’ll talk to Travis..
AH: You do this every single f**king time.
JD: We’ll talk to Travis…
AH: I’m not f**king talking to nobody. F**k that. You go f**king j**k, go j**k him off. I don’t care. I really could care less. It’s you every single f**king time, you latch onto some sort of thing. I already told you. I don’t know what you’re f**king talking about. You don’t even know what you’re talking about. You still haven’t even told me what it is, but run with it. You run with it.
JD: I have told you what it is.
AH: No you haven’t.
JD: I said to Travis, I said, no, I said to you, hey tell Travis what just happened.
AH: Oh, you told me to do it. You told me to. You said ‚go do that‘
JD: I said tell no, tell him what just happened.
AH: And I lied!
JD: And that you that you punched me in the f**king thing.
AH: You’re right! You figured it all out!
JD: In the face. And you said, no I f**king didn’t. What the f**k are you talking about?‘ And I watched you lie.
AH: I didn’t punch you. I didn’t punch you, by the way.
JD: You punched me.
AH: I’m sorry that I didn’t, uh, uh, hit you across the face in a proper slap, but I was hitting you, it was not punching you. Babe, you’re not punched.
JD: Don’t tell me what it feels like to be punched!
AH: I know, you’ve been in a lot of fights, been around a long time. I know, I know. Yeah.
JD: No! When you have a f**king closed fist.
AH: You didn’t get punched. You got hit. I’m sorry I hit you like this. But I did not punch you. I did not f**king deck you. I f**king was hitting you.
JD: You can’t deck me.
AH: I don’t know what the motion of my actual hand was, but you’re fine, I did not hurt you, I did not punch you, I was hitting you.
JD: How are your toes?
AH: What am I supposed to do, do this?
JD: How are your toes?
AH: I’m not sitting here b***hing about it am I, you are.
JD: Oh, your poor toes.
AH: That’s the difference between me and you, you’re a f**king baby.
JD: Because you start physical fights?
AH: You are such a baby! Grow the f**k up Johnny!
JD: Because you start physical fights?
AH: I did start a physical fight.
JD: Yeah, you did. So I had to get the f**k out of there.
AH: Yes, you did, so you did the right thing. The big thing, the, you know what? You are admirable. Every single time, what, what’s your excuse, when there’s not a physical fight, what’s your excuse then? You’re still being admirable, right, by running away? And you can sit here and call me names, but you get called a name and what do you do – ‚that’s the last insult!‘ You’re a baby. You’re a hypocrite. You don’t do anything that you actually do. You expect from people what you can’t give them. If they do something a taste of it to you, you f**king lose it. But yet you dish it out.
JD: I left last night. Honestly, I swear to you because I just couldn’t take the idea of more physicality, more physical abuse on each other because I had, we continued it. It would have gotten f**king bad. And baby, I told you this once. I’m scared to death we are a f**king crime scene right now. If we don’t get our s**t together by getting our s**t together, that might mean f**king a, we do this and we make it. That might mean Goddamn. You know, you say I’ve tried and done to Lou, but we’ve got to get our s**t together as individuals and as a couple. Because I love you and I do not want to leave you. I do not want to divorce, I do not want you out of my life. I just want peace.
JD: If things get physical, we have to separate. We have to be apart from one another. Whether it’s for f**king an hour or 10 hours or f**king a day. We must, there can be no physical violence towards each other.
AH: I agree about the physical violence, but separating for a day, taking a night off from our marriage?
JD: All I’m saying is we need to take whatever time we need you. You need, I need, to kind of let things settle for a minute. So that we don’t f**king kill each other or f**king worse, you know, f**king really kill each other or f**king break up or whatever.
JD: If the fight escalates to the point of where it’s just insulting for both of us, uh, or if it gets to that physical f**king s**t, the violence, that’s when we just said, look, let’s go to our corners, man, you hang wherever you want, baby. I’m going in the office and I’m just gonna f**king sit there and try and de-jellify my f**king brain.
AH: I can’t promise that it will all be perfect. I can’t promise you I won’t get physical again. God I f**king sometimes I get so mad I lose it. I can f**king promise you I will do everything to change. I promise you. I’m not going to throw around divorce I not say divorce unless I really mean it.
JD: I love you and I want you to be my wife. And I want to be your husband. And I wanna be a good husband. If I haven’t been, I’ll do everything I can to find out how to be a good husband.
Und Teil 2:
JOHNNY DEPP: But I’m telling you now, if I file, if they file the f**king papers tomorrow, which means the s**t I’ve got to file before we go to court on Friday, if they file those papers, first of all, it’s very bad for both of us.
AMBER HEARD: Well, your people are not going to file anything that’s bad for you, trust me.
JD: No, no what you’re saying, you’ve got to do something to protect yourself which means throwing me under the bus for the, some video about me beating you?
AH: Not me. I have to respond. I mean I’ll have to go and pursue, no I’ll pursue the whole course of action, because here’s what you don’t understand. If, if we do this, and basically will know. I called my lawyers and I said why aren’t we negotiating now, what’s going on, where are we, and they’re like everything’s under court.
JD: No, they won’t settle. Your agents won’t settle. Your lawyers won’t settle baby. I’m telling you.
AH: We want to mediate. We even have a mediator, found a mediator and everything. But that was all worked out. But the thing that Laura [Wasser, Depp’s attorney] wouldn’t agree to, she did not want to agree to a mutual gag order. That’s the problem, she doesn’t want the gag order, why Johnny? Why? Why wouldn’t she? Why wouldn’t she want both parties not to talk about this in the press?
AH: I just want you to know. I’m not doing anything and have not been doing any move. Look it up, the timeline. Nothing was on the offense. Everything has been a defensive move because I’m being called a liar and a gold-digger. And I am not lying about any of this s**t, and I am not after a dime of your money.
JD: It’s hurting You. It’s hurting You. And it’s hurting me. But the worst f**king thing is (unintelligible). Do you want to go to court Amber? Seriously? Do you want to go to court with this? I’m offering you an opportunity for us to make this finish in peace. Peaceful, man. We walk away. You go do what you gotta do, I go do what I gotta do. I, I, I’ve been through the f**ing hurt. You’ve been through the f**king hurt. I love you more than anything in life. I do not want to go into a f**king court with you. I do not want to f**king tarnish your name. I do not want to f**king tarnish. I don’t want nothing. I want this to be done peacefully, between us. And if you don’t like the way that mediation is going, take me back to court kid. Cause I can’t. This is the last f**king chance Amber. This is it. Once I file those papers we don’t turn around man. I know you hate me, and I know you whatever, I’m telling you now, there’s no call, it doesn’t need to happen like this. Please, for f**ks sake trust me man.
JD: Continuing through court is going to end up nothing but bad for you, and for me. It’s just going to be bad. In any case, no matter whether we ruin each other or not, it’s going to be f**king heartbreaking, it’s terrible. Let’s write a mutual letter that says look, in lieu of what’s transpiring out there in the world with all this f**king crazy s**t, we have decided to take this private. We’re not going to go to court, right now, over this. We are going to try to work something out, together. And then at least, at the very f**king least. I know you want to respond, and I know you want to defend yourself. Listen to me. Defending yourself by throwing someone under the bus is not going to look good.
AH: I’m not. It’s not about that. It would not be about me throwing you under the bus. You know what it would be? It would be released through documented people, coming on the record, and, having the protection to do so, that haven’t had yet. It would be eyewitness statements. It would be evidence. Tons of it. And it would be through years. And it would be unbelievable. Unbelievable, um, to imagine that either I’m (a) in a secret fight club, or (b) I’ve had um…
JD: A secret what?
AH: A secret fight club. Or that I have been plotting to do this for three years, and, while taking pictures of it, and documenting it, just saving it up for the right time when I’m not asking for any money and have nothing financial to gain from it. But no one is going to believe that. No one is going to believe that one of the two alternatives, that I’m in a fight club or I’ve been getting, going through hair and makeup or going through makeup through all these years where I have corroborating text messages between people that match those dates of those time stamped validated photos of either corroboration between people hearing us.
AH: All of that won’t be me throwing you under the bus, that will be evidence, in the case. Which I will have to, it will be criminal as well, because I cannot go on Friday and file without filing a police statement first. And the only reason I haven’t filed a police statement, which has been used against me by the way, every day, and the only reason I won’t do it, haven’t done it, is because I don’t want to hurt you and that means it goes out of my hands and every, we had a third party guy, a third party prosecutor come and a criminal lawyer come, and they went, the problem is hearing from you like your biggest struggle, this is just, is that it is the most solid evidence, case of domestic violence case we’ve ever seen. And if you get this over to them or any part of it they will prosecute him. And I felt like, I would never want that. For you. Because I don’t even, it’s hard for me, I don’t even call myself, like, in my head it’s hard for me to even accept any sort of victimdom, ever. And I don’t want to hurt you.
JD: I understand. I understand. And I don’t want to hurt you either. I’m only going to say this. I love you. I love you. I’ve always loved you. And I know that, look, you do whatever you feel you have to do. I’m telling you now it’s a mistake to go to court. If you want to go to court, we’ll go to court. I would rather take care of it in a different way, I think it would be very good for you, and it would be very good for me. But you know what?
AH: I’ve been called a liar.
JD: Baby, you know what?
AH: And I’ve been called a golddigger.
JD: Baby. Baby. Amber, I didn’t call you those things. I didn’t call you those things.
JD: It’s been going on too long Amber and we’ve got to stop this. It’s got to stop it.
AH: I don’t know how to get my reputation back.
JD: We write a letter together. Saying that we are going to take this out of the public eye. Saying that we are going to try and work this out on our own. Saying that the media has created such a f**king hateful storm that it’s sickening. That we love each other. And that we want to make sure each other’s OK. Have we had fights in the past, have we had this or whatever, f**k it, whatever, they already know all that s**t, it don’t matter. Here’s the deal.
AH: Oh, it matters. I have been, I have been, you have no idea, every ounce of my credibility has been taken from. And done so in a dishonest way. You know.
JD: Amber, the abuse, the abuse thing is, is we’ve got to deal with that, yeah. We’ve got to deal with that Amber.
AH: We don’t have any way of, my credit, It’s my credibility.
JD: Then why did you put that out there?
AH: I did not. You forced me, your team, forced me to by going on the offense.
AH: Well I’m sorry. I’m sorry because the last time it got crazy between us I really did think I was gonna lose my life. And I thought you would do it on accident. And I told you that. I said oh my god, I thought the first time.
JD: Amber, I lost a f**king finger man, c’mon. I had a f**king, I had a f**king mineral can, a jar, a can of mineral spirits thrown at my nose.
AH: You can please tell people that it was a fair fight, and see what the jury and judge thinks. Tell the world Johnny, tell them Johnny Depp, I Johnny Depp, a man, I’m a victim too of domestic violence.
AH: And I, you know, it’s a fair fight. And see how many people believe or side with you.
JD: It doesn’t matter, fair fight my a**.
AH: That’s exactly. Because your big, you’re bigger and you’re stronger. And so when I say that I thought that you could kill me, that doesn’t mean you counter with you also lost your own finger. I, I’m not trying to attack you here, I’m just trying to point out the fact of why I said call 911. Because I was, you had your hands on me after you threw a phone at my face. And it’s got crazy in the past, and I truly thought I need to stop this madness before I get hurt.
JD: Oh my god.
AH: And I never think about myself that way. I never defend myself that way. I never see myself as a victim.
JD: There’s also Travis coming to get me, there’s Travis having to come up and f**king pull me away from you.
JD: You’re going to have to do this under oath too you know.
AH: I will because the unfortunate part is I can talk about all of this.
JD: Do you believe all this Amber? Do you believe all this?
AH: Yes, the f**k, yes, yes.
JD: You believe I’m an abuser?
JD: You believe I’m an abuser?
AH: In May, In December, in, in April
JD: Do you believe you’re an abuser?
JD: Do you believe you abused me physically?
AH: Do I physically believe, I mean do I believe I physically abused you?
AH: Do you know I’m a 115, well not anymore, but I was a 115lb almost 115lb woman and you have the capacity…
JD: That’s not the question. That’s not the question.
AH: Have I ever been able to knock you off of your feet? Or knock you off balance?
JD: You started. You started these things.
AH: You’re going to get up on the stand, Johnny, and say, ’she started it‘? Really? I have never been able to overpower you that’s the difference between me and you.
JD: Why did you try?
AH: And that’s a difference, that’s a whole world, and there’s a jury and there’s a judge will see that there’s a very big difference between me and you.
JD: You cannot automatically, you cannot think that it’s just my side. You are f**king killing me. Your f**king people are trying to kill me. You’ve turned me into a, my boy has to go to school, my boy goes to school and has kids go ’so your f**king dad’s a wifebeater‘? You don’t think about that Amber.
AH: You don’t think also my family, and all the death threats? Me and every single person in my immediate circle of friends and family is getting also matters? And you don’t think I, you don’t think I?
JD: Death threats?!!
AH: Your people put this out. Why, why, why, why did your security go on the record and lie? Why, that’s a proactive measure. Why did your divorce attorney get to file for divorce period? At all? Second, why did she have to go and leak to TMZ? Why if you wanted it private, is TMZ being fed information literally by Laura Wasser and Marty Singer every step of the way? My, my my my arrest records. Who put that in the media? The rumors that I was a stripper? Or, of course I can expect that. I’ve known every step of the way, every single step of the way everything you give ‚em.
JD: I give ‚em? I give ‚em? That’s it. I give ‚em? I’ll see you in court. No. I’ll f**king see you in court. I will f**king see you in court. I never f**king said that. I never told anyone that. You f**king trusted me with that and I never f**king told anyone that. And you know what, Amber?
AH: Thank you.
JD: This is not, no, this is me. This is me saying I tried. And thank you. And I will see you in f**king court. You don’t want to make f**king nice nice? I’m trying. I’m trying. But you know what? You, I loved you for so many f**king years but you know what? You didn’t exist. You don’t exist. You’re not there. You’re not there. You are a f**king made up thing in my head. And I can’t believe you are doing this to me.
Es scheint mir kein so eindeutiges Bild zu sein, beide scheinen mir ihren Anteil an Gewalt ausgeübt zu haben, er führt an, dass sie beide ziemlich durch waren und beide Opfer sind.
Aber sie hat anscheinend auch mit Sachen geworfen und ordentlich ausgeteilt. Und das ist schon interessant, weil es in den klassischen Betrachtungen den Anteil der Frau meist schlicht nicht gibt. Der Mann ist der Aggressor und das war es.
Ich finde es auch am Anfang des ersten Teils ganz interessant, dass sie sagt, dass er immer wieder ausweicht und dann später, dass er ein Baby ist.
Ich habe das schon bei ein paar Geschichten von Gewalt gegen Männer gehört: Er ist sehr passiv und sie steigert sich immer mehr rein, will eine Reaktion von ihm erzwingen, will ihn immer mehr dazu bringen, sich nicht zurückziehen zu können bzw braucht ein Mittel, die Konfrontation zu haben, der er ausweicht. Das ist keine Entschuldigung für das Verhalten, nur ein evtl Muster, bei dem sie den Respekt verliert und es dann zu körperlichen Übergriffen kommt.
Was findet ihr an den Passagen interessant? Welchen Einblick geben sie und was belegen sie letztendlich?