Jessica Valenti hat einen Artikel zu Women against Feminsm geschrieben, in dem sie noch einmal betont, dass Feminismus doch zurecht darauf abstellt, dass Frauen Opfer sind:
But denying that women are a victimized class is simply wrong. What else would you call a segment of the population who are systematically discriminated against in school, work and politics? How would you describe a population whose bodies are objectified to the point of dehumanization? Women are harassed, attacked and sexually assaultedwith alarming regularity in America and around the world, and now even more of them live in states where, if pregnant, they can be refused medical attention or arrested for refusing C-sections.
People who are on the shit end of oppression are oppressed
Ich fand viele der Kommentare dazu unter dem Artikel nicht schlecht:
How can you say that other women are oppressed if they themselves say they’re not? What right do you have to speak on their behalf if they don’t elect you to be their spokesperson?
Isn’t it more likely that there is a tiny cabal of self-interested professional grievance mongers in the women’s movement that are reliant on this narrative being pushed and that it is those in the forefront who have the most to lose if women start rejecting feminism?
Auch ein netter Hinweis darauf, dass Frauen für sich selbst nach den feministischen Theorien ja eigentlich die Definitonshoheit haben sollten und entscheiden können sollten, ob sie Opfer sind. Aber das wäre dann doch eine zu weite Auslegung dieser Theorie: Opfer ist frau. Da führt kein Weg vorbei
Oder dieser gleich darunter:
Equal pay*, the right to abortion and general equality before the law were all won quite some time ago. Since then, it is hard to see what concrete gains feminism has actually made. Add to that the scarcity of evidence that a majority of women are particularly feminist or even interested in feminism, and you’re probably right in your assessment.
* Taking lengthy career breaks to raise children does not affect this. If men did the same, they too would see their pay and career progression suffer.
Hier wird noch einmal deutlich gemacht, dass der Feminismus eben gegenwärtig keine Erfolge mehr zu verzeichnen hat. Und das die meisten Frauen eben auch kein Interesse am Feminismus haben
in das gleiche Horn stößt auch dieser Kommentar:
The #WomenAgainstFeminism do not feel victimised. Who are you to discount their life experience and say they’re „simply wrong“? They are normal women in civilised countries who enjoy the same legal rights as men, and they feel fortunate and content. Isn’t that awful. I’m a woman and I feel the same way.
We are not professional feminists who have been immersed in the ideology, privilege-checking for heteronormativity and cisgender and producing columns about male oppression for a living. We have normal day jobs. Therefore we are too stupid to understand our own life experience, and must be re-educated by Jessica Valenti? I feel more patronised by this kind of feminism than I ever have by men. I did used to call myself a feminist when I thought it was about gender equality, and this kind of thing is the reason I no longer do.
Also der Vorhalt, dass man sich in den theoretischen Feminismus nur reinsteigern kann, wenn man nicht in der normalen Welt lebt und der Hinweis darauf, dass man deren Theorien und insbesondere die Aufklärung, wie man sich zu fühlen hat, als falsch und bevormundend ansieht.
Und auch konkrete Bestreitungen der Opferstellung:
I’ll give you politics. I’ll let work slide as it’s hard to prove the opposite, but, of course, anti-discrimination laws have been on the books for a long time and young women now earn more than young men.
But education? All across the western world girls have been outperforming boys comprehensively for at least a couple of decades, even in the USA. More women go to college than men. If we’re discriminating against girls and women in education, we’re doing a very bad job at doing so.
Der Hinweis darauf, dass es gerade im Bildungsbereich eher Vorteile für Frauen gibt und das auch der Gender Pay Gap so nicht besteht.
Oder auch tiefere Unzufriedenheit:
Christ, does this one-trick pony never give up? She’s a white, educated middle-class female and as a result, extremely privileged. Yet, she doggedly finds oppression and victimisation in every nook and cranny of society. Give it a rest, woman.
Oder auch hier eine Stellungnahme gegen die Opferstellung:
If you consider, as I do, feminism to be
a movement that won women the rights to vote, have credit cards, not be legally raped by their husbands, use birth control and generally be considered people instead of property, among other things[,]
then of course I am all for it. And the examples of signs you cite are indeed cringe-inducing.
However, when you go on to say
But denying that women are a victimized class is simply wrong. What else would you call a segment of the population who are systematically discriminated against in school, work and politics? How would you describe a population whose bodies are objectified to the point of dehumanization? Women are harassed, attacked and sexually assaulted with alarming regularity in America and around the world, and now even more of them live in states where, if pregnant, they can be refused medical attention or arrested for refusing C-sections.
then that frigging alienates people from the movement. Conflating what is happening around the world (FGM, forced marriages, women unable to vote or own property) with imagined systematic discrimination in ‚work, school and politics‘ in Europe or the US or many other countries, then you sound ridiculous. (It does sound like women’s rights are being rolled back in the US, but the US is not the world.)
Women and girls are outperforming men and boys in school and apparently also for approximately the first decade at work, ie until women have children. There is no bar to women entering politics; on the contrary, there is such a thing as woman-only shortlists. I’m unaware of anyone objectifying my body to the point of dehumanisation.
Yes, there are still sexist arseholes in the West, but not too many in the younger generations, in which almost all men would fully agree with the definition of feminism as set out above. Yes, there is still rape and domestic violence and this should be addressed no matter the sex of victim or perpetrator.
But by Boudicca’s breasts, let’s not paint all women in Western countries as victims. Most of us have our own agency and we are not fucking victims, but mistresses of our own fates. Let’s work towards helping women who don’t have the choices we enjoy instead of whingeing about imagined slights. For the Neanderthals that still roam amongst us, let us simply prove them wrong by being capable.
Alles Evolution 